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Understanding Multi-cloud with VMware and Intel


Once you get a clear idea of what multi-cloud really is, then the real questions begin. One of the biggest: How do you know which hyper scaler to choose and what happens if you want to switch? Will there be downtime within that transition? Not if you use the right platform.

Shelby Skrhak speaks with Annette Miller , Multi-Cloud Partner Development Manager at VMware , and Illyse Sheaffer , Cloud/SDI - Technical Solutions Specialist at Intel , about:

  • Demystifying any confusion around multi-cloud
  • Choosing the right hyper scaler
  • Reasons why companies are moving to VMware     

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You're listening to B two B Tech Talk with Ingram Micro, the place to learn about new technology and technological advances before they become mainstream. This podcast is sponsored by Ingram Micro's Imagine Next. It's not about the destination, it's about going someplace you never thought possible. Go to imagine next dot ingram micro dot com to find out more. Let's get into it. Welcome to B two B Tech Talk with Ingram Micro. I'm your host, Shelby scar Talk and our guest today are Nett Miller, multi cloud Partner development manager for vm Ware and Alice Shaffer Cloud sd I Technical solution Specialist for Intel a net and at last welcome, Thanks so much, thank you excellent. Well, today we are talking about multi cloud with vm Ware and Intel. But first let's specify what exactly what it is that we're discussing today. So at least when we say multi clouds, so you know, there's always some confusion, at least for me. So the multi cloud we're talking about today, I mean that that's not the hybrid of private and public cloud. I mean it's it's the hyper scale ers that offer these multiple types of the same type or same kind of cloud. Am I understanding that or explaining that? Right? So, when you have a hybrid cloud, you have an on prem and you have a public cloud and they're built together on a layer two extensions, so you can extend the workload without having to change the IP addresses and things like that. It can fail over automatically, sale back. There's a lot of scale up, scale deck back with the same i P scheme, with the same a D infrastructure, that type of thing. When you have multiple clouds, it's multiple and not all of them are all connected in one i P landscape or one bridge across the mall. So you may have some services in a public cloud being Azure, some other in Google, some other in an IBM kindle cloud, just you know, multiple clouds doing different things, not all connected, but they could be doing containers and all three of them they're just doing different workloads and all three and so that's the multi part. It's it's literally trying to manage the complexity of that, right right. Well, you know, obviously there are a lot of options out there when it comes to hyper scale ers like yeah as your IBM aws all of those So a net HOLP does vm ware help with multi cloud yeah, Shelby. So what we do with multi cloud is we've created technology for a multi cloud platform that works with all of those hyper scalers that you mentioned and more. And so how we are helping our partners and our customers is we've taken a lot of the same technology, a lot of the same skills that they've developed over the years, and we've evolved them into the cloud. So if they've got an implementation of our VMware Cloud we abbreviate at VMC vm wre cloud on any of those hyper scale ers, you'll see that same vm Ware Cloud console on each hyper scale or you'll you'll use those same vm Ware technologies that you've known to um love over the years to deploy in those clouds. Of course, then you know there are other skills that you'll need on top of that, but not as much as you might think. Now. The other thing that happens is when we deploy this platform on any given hyper scale or then that gives the customer access to the native cloud services, whether it be Azure or Google or or AWS or any of those. So it's some we see it as a step into cloud with migration tools and it's an easier I don't know about gentler...

...way, but an easier way to get to cloud. And what we've experienced with our partners is oftentimes their customers might say I want to jump to a native cloud right away, and they start looking at the migration and looking at the dev work that they might have to do. Then they sit back and take a breath and say, hey, maybe I want to get my workloads onto the platform with vm worre cloud, something that I know and love, and then I can make choices in a timely manner. You know, do I want to move some of this to native? Do I want to really do the programming that is required for Cloud Native? And so we kind of help pull it all together and help our customers get to cloud, and many of them then want to stay there with bmware and reach out to those natives, those native services. Well, I'm glad you mentioned the skills part of it, because we've seen this great resignation we're seeing. We are already in uh an i T shortage of skills based experts in and various elements of of it. And and now it seems like, you know, the i T teams that that are still in place, they're having to do a little bit of a lot and and kind of having to know everything. So going back to VMC or vm Ware Cloud, what are the skill sets that are needed then to be able to implement this? I mean, is it pretty pretty high level or is there kind of maybe resources and more of a you know, like you said, a gentler way to to implement all of this. Yeah, yeah, so I can. I can give it to you at a high level and then I'll turn it over to the least. You know, there's a lot more about the technology. Like I said, a lot of the skills are the same as they've used on premises. Where we're seeing some of the partners have hiccups and get hung up. Is more in the networking and then we've got a migration tool included hc X, and those are the ones where I've seen partners that maybe need to skill up a little bit more and um have some hiccups. But I don't want to throw out at the skills are the same, but they don't have to relearn a lot of skills for it. But at least you've probably seen things in more detail than I have. Yeah, So with the vm S, with the vm Ware Cloud, I mean you have the same vm Ware Cloud Foundation platform. It is the same on prem as if used in the public cloud one of the m c pluppa clouds rate. So getting to the public cloud and doing that oppex model is easy because it's the same tools that you use yesterday, the day before. The systups are the same. Now you can then platform and do infrastructure as code using the DevOps people with the configuration management and automation pieces right, and that way you can use your chef, your puppet, your your salt stack along with the vm with terror form or vm Ware templates in order to create that code as infrastructure to build in any of the public clouds native or in vm Ware. And again it's the same console, it's the same dash so dashboard. So the people that are doing the sissops piece or the DevOps piece, it's the same that they know in love today whether it be on prem or in a public clouds, and the toolset just carries over, right, so they don't have to learn all the new stuff right today, I'll be honest with you, using other people's configuration management access tools or automation app management access tools. Plagiary is the best form of flattery. Just tweak it out right, I mean, download it. You need to understand it. Don't get me wrong, you do need to understand it, but then tweak it for what makes sense for you and your your environment to position it to a platform of your choice and being with VM, where again it's the same it's the same VCF concept as same es x I. It's the same piece and its software defined Manager. I love the hc X because when...

...they upgrade from on prem to public cloud, they can also change the hardware virtualization platform for the VM. What that does is allowed you to use the hardware to the ability of the hardware that it is so on prem the customer might be having, say a broad Well server because they're running five three, five, seven years out right and it's now time to refresh. When they migrated over into a public cloud because they don't want to have they can't have, they can't build quick enough, there's no space in the data center. And frankly, the I T departments are being told you need to manage the applications, not be managing the infrastructure. Well, okay, now I'm gonna migrate it over. Don't forget to change the Harvard platform for the VM. If you don't change the Virtual Harvard Platform for the VM, your broad well, when you bring it over with hc X, it's going to act like a broad well, but it might be sitting on a newer server, So are not using all the technology that's there. You're hindering yourself from getting full optimization. So it's one of the key things to think about and to understand. It's an extra step. There's some people that know to do it, and there's some people that don't, which is why I bring it up. Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know a net when we are talking about you know that that customer that is looking at all of the different options for hyper scale ers and and they're they're looking to try to choose one. How does that customer go about that? I mean, I guess what's important to think about? Yeah, so most important, I think are the requirements for the workload. Is there a certain hyper scale or instance that will work better for that workload or maybe meet some of the governmental requirements or certifications, all kinds of things like that. Sometimes it's choosing which regions are those clouds in and where do I have to you know, is there do I need to stay within the borders of a certain state or a certain country or something like that, and sometimes the customers looking at a certain set of native services that they want to tie into. What I've seen oftentimes is a customer or a partner will choose a primary cloud and then maybe they'll say, I want a secondary cloud for DR or I don't want to put all my eggs in one basket, or something like that. You know, is that when people were buying only on prem a lot of times they use two different vendors for x AD six servers because they didn't want to have all their eggs in one basket. It's kind of interesting. I've I've talked with I had a call with one partner today, another call with the partner tomorrow. Today's call the partners is on only Microsoft. That's all I do. I only care about your as your VM. We're offering a VS so one tomorrow Google is all they do. They've got they're all in with Google, so they'll go Google Cloud platform. Now, those partners that are working with customers, you know what's kind of interesting about that is as they deploy this VM wor cloud platform on those two hyper scale ers I just mentioned They've also made it possible for their customers to reach out to other clouds with that same set of technologies too. So what I like about about VMC are offering is you haven't locked yourself into one hyper scaler and only one hyper scaler. Right, Like we mentioned before, we can go with a WS, we can go with Azure, we can go with Google, we can go with IBM, we can go with you know and almost name your favorite hyper scaler right now. So that's what I really like is UM. It allows that flexibility for our customers. Yeah, it's fully portable. So vm ware has over four thousand cloud partners that they work with offering VMC and in the four thousand, say today you want to be with AWS, Tomorrow, you can be with you know, Google, Azure, DUM, IBM, pick your favorite HP green like you can't...

...portable and its portable without any migration downtime at all. So you can migrate the workload from one to the other and not lose or have to re platform or have to put vm ware tools on it or anything. Because they're all based upon Intel infrastructure. So you have that common consistent commonality not just with the VMC and the vm Ware platform VCF platform. You also have the same thing from your hardware aspect in all of your public clouds. Gotcha? Well, you know, we we've covered some some parts of this, but at least when a customer does migrate, I guess, big picture, how do you advise them about managing multiple clouds? I guess if if they're starting to if their eyes are starting to widen and going, okay, this is getting complex, how do you advise them or how do you guide them? So if they're trying to migrate from an on prem to public and they're using vm Ware, the easiest way to do that is with the VCN platform, you know, vm Ware Cloud platform in and of itself, it's the same tool set. It's truly easy, it's truly. Yes, you do have to set up some networking if you want to have that layer to extension. If you don't want to have that layer to extension where your workload can fail over from one place to the other, you want to do manual fail over, you don't have to have that layer to extension. But it does provide benefits in scale up, scale back right. It does provide benefits with disaster recovery and you know, seamless migration over UM. You do have hc X. It's very easy to do. It is you know, literally you click what you want to migrate to. You tell it you want to change the hardware, you want to update the hardware virtual platform, and you press go and it does it. It proxies it, and it compresses it so that it's not causing a huge networking bandwidth on the other side. So those are the easy buttons that are there versus having to re platform, reprogram, you know, rebuild the application and of itself. Now, if the application is truly, really, really old, it may benefit to step back and look at what do I need to do from that application standpoint, because the application probably isn't working as optimally as it could with the hardware, so it's not maybe multi threaded, it might be single threaded. Still, you know, VMC can still work with those applications. They're virtualized. It's it's abstracted from the hardware, so you've got the ability to do that. So a net when we look at I guess the big picture of vm ware cloud vm work called solutions. Can you pitpoint maybe some reasons that people are moving to VMC with greater frequency or or or maybe just um you know, of late why there's been such a prevalence of it. Yeah, I think that, you know, we've we've already mentioned a lot of that it. You know, it's an easier transition and smoother transition over for those workloads. And I think what we're also seeing is that just lately, probably within the last couple of months, some of the smaller customers are looking at really being able to leverage what they have on premises as the least mentioned right that same VM or cloud foundation and moving that into the cloud. I'm seeing a little bit more hybridity pop up, you know, again to be able to scale up, scale down a little bit. The other thing that becomes interesting and here is as those customers look at maybe more than one cloud and think about, hey, I can plug into the management above it with what is now the realized becoming vm ware area to span right those multiple clouds to one too or more in on premises and be able to manage from a single manager managed platform. That becomes...

...really interesting. Also if I kind of look at an adjacent space one of our cloud solutions shell we is v c d R. The disaster recovery as a service. So this is this is something that most of our partners are familiar with how to deploy dr but kind of in the legacy way, right, I've got I've got some hot, warm, cold sites somewhere. We look at disaster recovery as a service. That opens up kind of a new window to say, I either want to supplement what I've had before or maybe I want to step into this as a service model. And um, one of the hot buttons there has been we've got capabilities to help recover from a ransomware incident, so that's peaked a lot of interest here. Those are some of the things I've seen recently about you know, moving to our vm wor cloud solutions. Yeah. Yeah, Well we love to hear examples of you know, these these technology solutions. It's kind of in real world scenarios. So at least can you share any use cases of VMware Cloud within tolnside. Yeah, So I'll be honest with you. I've seen and heard a lot of customers going to vm C in a public cloud because of supply chain management, uh huh, in and of itself weren't able to get the hardware. Then he needed to build to go to market as quickly as possible for the groups that I have to buy for. So they bought in public cloud, in VMC public cloud in order to provide the services that they needed for their customer, which is their business rate. That was the biggest the biggest gain there. And especially with a lot of people having to upgrade their vm ware by the end of well by October fifteenth, right and when it's six five and six six seven or end of life in the fifteenth of October, a lot of customers weren't able to get that hardware. How are they going to be able to manage and stand or support. Here's a way to do it. It's it's easy. Even if they were just using e S x I in you know, just v sphere, they can move to the v m C and the cloud, move their VMS over and still have have the service that they need. So those are some things what I have seen personally from the customers that I've worked with. I've seen financial people in financial industry. I've seen IoT g SO a lot of the retail with Internet of Things. As I walk into a store and they're tracking me via my phone because I have Bluetooth on my phone and I have the app and they know that I've gone to the clothing section and I get the little ding on my app. Hey do you see these these these leggings, They're on sale type of thing. And it's trying to do that. All that analytic is being keyed up at the store, but being sent and analyzed up in VMC in a public cloud in containers in order to provide response back to my phone to tell me, hey, there's a sale on those laggings. And oh, don't forget the spick and span over there in the in the health in the cleaning area, right. So you see a lot of use cases. I have seen d R. A lot of people run into d R as the first way of doing it. Great because it's quick, it's easy, let me test it out. I'm not really committed for production. But then they start moving production over and so you'll see some production there. With AWS, they offer a new I four I series which is flex compute where you don't have to buy dedicated nodes. You're on multi tenant nodes and you can buy in at a smaller infrastructure size. Then to bring a whole solution of seventy em s over at a time. You can build five VM six b M, seven v M s and then grow and as you grow then you can go to dedicate it if you need to. So you have that flexibility there. Um. They also have a flex storage for the store orge on the back end.

Um. But yeah, there's that flexibility there. And you want to start with the lowest hanging fruit, just like you went into the public cloud with the hole, lowest hanging fruit. Where did you put there? You put your web servers there, right, you kind of want to do dr You want to kind of put your web servers there and and then grow from there, but different different workloads. The only thing I really haven't seen in a public cloud yet is high end databases. Yes, totally certified, but customers like to keep their databases with their particular data. The kingdoms has to stay at home because of you know, it's mine, right, it's my data, it's it's my livelihood. So you do have some of that there. And then a lot of the clouds, the public clouds do have the compliance, whether it's hip PC I, d S S and you've got your g DPR. So they're being offered again in every every everyone, the public cloud offerings has a piece of that that the compliance pieces. All of it sits on Intel today because of the compatibility and the consistent not just in consistent performance, but the ability to migrate back and forth without having to retool, without having to reimage. Well, so as we do start to wrap up our episode today, we always ask our guests the same final question, and that's where do you see technology going in the next year. Now that this of course very broad, but uh, you know, within this space we can we can kind of look at the short term. Where are we going to be in in the net? I'm going to start with you, yeah, ye, So from our perspective, I think you'll you'll continue to see more and tighter integration between our VM where products across the clouds and the management at least mentioned the flex compute a place that you know you can start at a smaller scale, and I'll see that move from preview into g A over the course of the next year, and not from necessarily a technology capability perspective, but simplifying things for our customers and ease of use. You'll see more of our partners offerings in marketplaces, and you'll also see our program buying program Cloud Universal which now includes on premises include it includes a WS we're bringing in the Google Cloud. I think you'll see some of the other clouds later, so that that our customers can choose which bits of on prem which bits of the hyper scalers they want, and not have to do so many different transactions. So um, so those are a couple of things that I see that will come to fruition in at least. How about you? So I see, I see everybody's trying to do as much as they can with I T You know, COVID was a pin up demand of free fresh and upgrades and getting to market as quickly as possible. But we were home. Now we're back in the office and a lot of refresh has happened because it needed to. Just like six seven, six five have now end of life. Now you're in side. Now you're moving to seven oh maybe two eight oh. It just released October eleven, right, and you're looking to that next piece of functionality. But it's about being optimal and to that end, I see, it's all about simplicity and all about managing quickly with a fire tooth without a lot of costs to it and the reason being is because everybody's tightening belt with the economy, right, so you have to be able to show I can save dollars in order to do the next thing, because I need to still innovate. I cannot stop innovating. And VMC gives you the ability to innovate at a at an opex model where you're not paying for the whole kitchen and the whole data center and you're focusing on your applications in and of itself.

Because it's about giving back to the company as quickly and as functionally as possible with the optimal dollar bills. So I'm very cognitive of that. I'm also very cognitive of data. There are a lot of companies that are looking to that need to look to really monetize the data they have. The most precious thing that every company has is the data that they have and analyzing it to get the trends out to see where they need to go next. And that I see is a is another big thing coming in this next year absolutely well for listeners who wanted to find out more about we talked about today, are asking any questions and that how can how can they reach out? Yeah, so a couple of ways. If you're a partner listening, you can go into your vm Ware Partner Connect portal and find more about that, find more sales content and partner university you can all so. If you're a customer listening or one of direct customers, you can go to VMware dot com. Multi cloud is front end center and how we help customers move from Cloud first to cloud chaos to cloud smart. Excellent. Well, Annett a Lease, thank you so much for joining me and all of the insight today. I appreciate you being on the show. Thanks so much, Shelby, Thank you, and thank you listeners for tuning in and subscribing to B two B Tech Talk with Ingram Micro. If he likes episode or have a question, please join the discussion on Twitter with the hashtag B two B tech Talk. Until next time, I'm Shelby Scare Talk. You've been listening to B two B Tech Talk with Ingram Micro. This episode was sponsored by Ingram Micro's Imagine Next. B two B Tech Talk is a joint production with sweet Fish Media and Ingram Micro. Ingram Micro production handled by Laura Burton and Christine Fan. To not miss an episode, subscribe today on your favorite podcast platform,.

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